Meaghan

Kliman Online, Todd Kliman's Chog - Tuesdays 11-12 AM on Washingtonian.com

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Is it me, or do others find that the way the posts and responses are organized was not designed for human readers?

It's a bit confusing when the chat thread lists the most recent submission first. The chat peeked my curiosity about the November issue...can't wait to see what he does to the food & wine section!

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Is it me, or do others find that the way the posts and responses are organized was not designed for human readers?

I agree. Kliman, if you're reading tell the honchos you need better software. It will pay for itself.

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This is an especially interesting link which speaks volumes about the Post, City Paper, Washingtonian and other forms of print media:

http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/5661998.html

This also represents a topic that this board should explore some time: the impact of blogs/message boards/websites on traditional forms of criticism, i.e. print media.

Online "chats" such as which Kliman and Sietsema are in the forefront of are efforts to counter the impact and influence of boards like this, CH, Roadfood, OA and eG along with individual blogs such as "The List" and "Metrocurean" among others. All of the internet represents a kind of threat to the enduring popularity of print media. As outrageous as this may sound the link above lends credence to the statement.

Even though "traditional" food critics may be our "icons" we may be very real threats to their continued existence and popularity. Certainly declining readership translates into declining revenue from circulation and advertising.

One day, with Mr. Rockwell's approval, we should have a lengthy discussion about the impact of what I am suggesting. If what I am suggesting is true then this board-among others-is ground zero for the kind of change I am suggesting.

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Belated link to Oct 18 chat

I find it odd that there is no summation or close...like "see you next week" etc. etc. Am I missing something? Maybe my PC is messed up, but I didn't see one on last week's chat either.

While it is definitely nice to have another person's opinion, the chat seems short on length and substance--maybe not enough publicity and therefore not many questions submitted? I'm not really sure how I found out about the chat myself ( stumbled across it somewhere) but I certainly haven't heard or seen the Washingtonian publicizing it.

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Belated link to Oct 18 chat

I find it odd that there is no summation or close...like "see you next week" etc. etc. Am I missing something? Maybe my PC is messed up, but I didn't see one on last week's chat either.

While it is definitely nice to have another person's opinion, the chat seems short on length and substance--maybe not enough publicity and therefore not many questions submitted? I'm not really sure how I found out about the chat myself ( stumbled across it somewhere) but I certainly haven't heard or seen the Washingtonian publicizing it.

I think if you take out all the onerous kvetch filled rants that always seems to penetrate their way to the screen in Tom's chats, and distill the remainder down, you'd probably get about the same amount of straight info.

So far, this problem hasn't plagued Todd's chats and I like the different style and point of view. I think it's a great compliment to the Wednesday chats.

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My advice would be to seek out what this city excels at, and not try to replicate your time in NYC. In other words, go for Ethiopian, Vietnamese, and Thai on the lower end of things, instead of pining after delis, Italian mom-and-pops and bagel shops. As far as the more expensive places, D.C. holds its own with any city in the country. What it lacks, for now, is interesting, personal mid-range spots -- the kind of places New York has in abundance. But can I say it? What New York also has in abundance is mediocrity. And New Yorkers are notorious for overhyping their often middling restaurants.

This was from the Oct. 11 chat. I am sure that this sort of attitude (which I commend) will make Joe H. happy, and those New Yorkers who exhibit such a pompous attitude he was responding to seethe.

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Ok, ...Should the waiter apologize for the chance, if not fortuitous gropeing incident? How painful was it? Did it require hospitalization , or perhaps ongoing psychiatric counseling? Is this a mere ESL misunderstanding? Should we all have genuflected at the mere mention of the husband's military rank?

There are so many more questions I have regarding the layers of conspiracy here, so let's all loosend our ties and settle in for a lengthy discussion of "When Waiters Grope. To Sue or Not To Sue. To Demand An Apology, or a Duel"

This is, to say the least, a sticky wicket.

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Ok, ...Should the waiter apologize for the chance, if not fortuitous gropeing incident? How painful was it? Did it require hospitalization , or perhaps ongoing psychiatric counseling? Is this a mere ESL misunderstanding? Should we all have genuflected at the mere mention of the husband's military rank?

There are so many more questions I have regarding the layers of conspiracy here, so let's all loosend our ties and settle in for a lengthy discussion of  "When Waiters Grope. To Sue or Not To Sue. To Demand An Apology, or a Duel"

This is, to say the least, a sticky wicket.

It is, no doubt, the kind of story to which there are two sides. For instance, the Colonel says he "politely" asked for an apology. One man's politeness is another man's raving lunacy. Also, the Colonel says the waiter did ask whether she was okay. I would be curious about the words and tone he used -- they may, in fact, have been apologetic without using whatever talismanic words the Colonel was seeking.

That said, I can't understand why any waiter would (i) issue anything less than a clear apology, and (ii) refuse to issue a further apology when requested. Nothing in the story suggests any fault on the part of the woman who was smote.

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This is going to bring down the wrath of somebody, no doubt, but right now....yawn, this chat is a virtual rip-off of Sietsema's weekly chat.

And another thing, since I already ranting, if people are going to write in to complain about service mishaps, can't they be required to submit far enough in advance so Todd and/or Tom can do a little investigating and get the response from all sides before going live with it? That would make a much more interesting read - from complaint to full story to resolution. Sietsema's "Ask Tom" box in the weekly Post magazine already does this sometimes, so it will be another rip-off, but why stop now?

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Is it my imagination, or is this chat less than half the length of Sietsema's? He must not have much of an audience yet. And, I agree with crackers, the types of questions he's getting and the responses sure seem familiar. I won't go so far as to characterize it as a "rip off," because Kliman has no control over the questions that come over the transom.

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I won't go so far as to characterize it as a "rip off," because Kliman has no control over the questions that come over the transom.

Weekly - check. On-line - check. Mid-week - check. Mid-day - check. Publication's restaurant critic answering questions - check. Questions can be submitted ahead - check. Questions can be submitted live - check. Restaurant critic throws questions out to the audience for response - check. Rants allowed without fact checking - check. Ubiquitous "Where can I find" questions - check. DR forum host screwball questions slipped in for comic relief - check. OK, maybe rip-off was too harsh; let's call it a a liberal borrowing of a successful existing format. :lol:

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Weekly - check.  On-line - check.  Mid-week - check.  Mid-day - check.  Publication's restaurnt critic answering questions - check.  Questions can be submitted ahead - check. Questions can be submitted live - check.    Restaurant critic throws questions out to the audience for response - check. Rants allowed without fact checking - check.  Ubiquitous "Where can I find" questions - check.  DR forum host screwball questions slipped in for comic relief - check.  OK, maybe  rip-off was too harsh; let's call it a a liberal borrowing of a successful existing format.  :lol:

Well, when you put it that way, its fair to say that it is a wholesale rip off (as opposed to a retail rip off).

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It was interesting that during Todd's first chat someone alluded to fact checking. A lot of amusing little things slip through cracks in his reviews & in this chat. In last week's chat he advocated making anniversary reservations in Palena's front room (is that possible?), in today's he was talking about ordering a frosty mug of Singh Thai (would that include the roaches?), in a past CP write-up he called Cheesecake Factory a local chain, to name a few. I usually take his ingredient descriptions with a grain of salt, since I've come across a few inaccuracies based on dishes I'm familiar with.

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From the intro

I'm reprising my call here. I don't mean just bad experiences. I don't just mean meals that failed to live up to the hype or disappointments that put a damper on what was meant to be a special occasion. I mean epically disastrous stories -- spectacular failures. You know -- curtains going up in flames, marriages dissolving before your eyes, or, my favorite, a waitress being dressed down by a fascistic manager and crumbling in tears by the bar.

Gee, what a swell guy.

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These chats so far have been disappointing: not very substantive, and coyly skirting interesting issues when they arise. Perhaps that's just the "Washingtonian" way of doing things, but as long as TS is around, I don't really see the gap that TK's chats might fill.

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From the intro
I'm reprising my call here. I don't mean just bad experiences. I don't just mean meals that failed to live up to the hype or disappointments that put a damper on what was meant to be a special occasion. I mean epically disastrous stories -- spectacular failures. You know -- curtains going up in flames, marriages dissolving before your eyes, or, my favorite, a waitress being dressed down by a fascistic manager and crumbling in tears by the bar.

Gee, what a swell guy.

SS MD (Hmmm? :lol: ): "my favorite, a waitress being dressed down by a fascistic manager and crumbling in tears by the bar."

Nice to see that you take pleasure in others' misery, Todd.

Todd Kliman: I didn't take pleasure in it at all. It happened to be a friend of mine.

When I said "favorite," I meant my favorite restaurant fiasco story.

The friend, it turns out, is fine. The manager, I have no idea. And truthfully, I don't care what becomes of him.

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The chate was very short too, wonder if that was technical snafus?

Really like the physical magazine's change in layout and coverage for November,

I think Washingtonian is actually getting to be a bit cutting edge!

Referencing the website on the Thanksgiving article in order to get the recipes

is a smart way to merge the 2 concepts. The question will be, will people

continue to pay for the Magazine if all the information is online? That's

a real Big Deal over there...

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