Nizam Ali

Don, you are the best and I thank you (yes THANK YOU!) for asking me to chat and "meet" your wonderful members. I truly want to give a sincere thank you to all of you for the warm reception, the loving comments and the thoughtful questions. I have enjoyed my time with you and will miss chatting with you. And Don, the least I can do is buy you a Ben's sweatshirt. But feel free to visit benschilibowl.com and send some half smokes to friends and family across the country! Thanks again everyone. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!

Daveo, Thank you so much for the kind words and for sharing your memories with us. Really appreciate your post and for staying and contributing to this chat until the end.

Hey Don, Thanks for asking. You know I am proud of Next Door so I appreciate you giving me the chance to talk about it. What I am most proud about is that I think we got a lot right off the bat. We created our first, brand new, full service restaurant and bar that immediately became a beloved place. I felt great joy when my dad would tell me after his repeated visits to Washington Hospital Center that his nurse or doctor would say, "I love Next Door." That meant the world because it also made my dad more proud of me. I am also very proud of the food and the comfortable atmosphere which is cool and still open and welcome to all. So please come back and order the Shrimp & Grits, or the Crispy-Skinned Salmon. The Crab Cakes are great too as is the Scallop appetizer. Ok so I am clearly biased here but the kitchen really continues to exceed my expectations. The only thing that gets me is that for some reason people that I know don't seem to remember when they are looking for a place to eat to try Next Door. May people that I know that even ask me how Next Door is doing never seem to get there to dine. I don't know why that is as we are open for lunch, dinner and brunch and don't close until 2am and 3am on the weekends so there is ample opportunity. To keep it going we really need people to try it once then hopefully come back. There is stiff competition and we are not the new hot restaurant that we were when we opened. So members please give Next Door a try when you can! We could use the support, plus I really think you will like it.

Hi Youngfood, Sorry its taken me so long to get to your question. Let me first say thank you for welcoming us into your neighborhood and for giving us the benefit of the doubt regarding the building construction. So as you know, our family and Ben's is all about history, and about preserving what we can physically, as well as keeping the memory, stories and history of both U ST and our great city alive for visitors and new residents. So from the beginning we charged our architect with essentially replicating the look of existing building and keeping the historic characteristics of it. So the cornice design, the brick detail coming down and the brick detail over the windows will be a part of the reconstructed building. All of this is an added expense but it keeps the character of the building and of H ST so it was important. I think you will like it and we hope the community does as well. The plan was to keep part of the existing facade up during the construction through it was going to be challenging and of considerable expense because the whole first floor of the building along H ST and a portion that wraps around to 10th ST is a bump out window system left from the former retail store George's Place. The problem was that when we got into the building and began construction we discovered significant water damage, crumbled brick, falling brick, and deteriorated wood and grout. The back wall of the building already had a brace in it and was leaning. So then it became a safety issue and we couldn't risk the building falling on the sidewalk. Because of this we went back to the city and proposed a preservation plan so to make a long story short, we removed the front facade brick by hand and salvaged it. We will reuse all of the brick that is undamaged and safe to use as well as some of the timbers that we salvaged as well. I think you will be happy when its all completed. As for being good neighbors we are trying our best. We went to the ANC on a few different occasions (and will be at the next one) in the beginning to share our plans and to get feedback and hear their concerns. We finalized the plans incorporating their wishes and that of the community as regards to our entrance, the sizes and design of our windows, and we even set the trash containers within our space at the rear and will have a gate that encloses them within the rear of the building. We also have designed the rooftop deck with walls to the south to abate any potential noise issues. So please know that we are working hard and will continue to do all that we can to be good neighbors. Thanks again for your question Youngfood. Can't wait to see you at Ben's on H ST.

Hey The Hersch, Thanks for your comments. Always good talking and reminiscing with long-time Washingtonians. You're comments were phrased very well. Plus its nice to know the facts about DC's population back then. To me personally it didn't seem like DC wasn't bustling, but somehow it felt like it had a smaller footprint. Like we were all in it together. It was gritty in much of the city and it was fun growing up with that. Walking and feeling totally safe strolling though Malcom X Park at night when it was pretty shady. I think that is the experience that old DC-heads bond over and take pride in. We hung, learned and grew up in DC when it was another place. And only we can relate to it and only we really know how it was. The good and the bad. Its a powerful common experience. But I do know that not everyone shared in that same experience. There were 2 DC's even back then. I remember the first time I saw traffic cops downtown and said, "damn we are a big city now." Its the construction, the international nature, the bigger chains, fancy hotels, the out of town restaurant groups, the cranes, which all make the city feel much bigger and more congested than ever before and I think thats the difference. Just my 2 cents. Thanks for the comments and for following the chat. And I remember some of the things I did back then. Glad thats behind me now too.

Mr. Ray is a great and sweet man. We were too honored when he came in and shared his "Ben's Chili Bowl" poem with us. It really was so special. My mom and our whole family were touched. I actually know his daughter Roz, we were in school together. And really nice of you Don to get in touch with Mr. Ray and to post that poem. Thanks again Mr. Ray.

Hi rbh, sorry its taken me so long to get to your question but so glad we are coming within walking distance of you! So actually, we had been looking for a site in Clarendon for quite some time. We did a market development plan on the whole DMV and identified Clarendon as the best place in Northern, VA to open a Ben's based on many factors, heavy traffic both day and night being among them. After a pretty long search, we couldn't find a suitable location and then we heard to our surprise that Ray's Hellburger had closed down. We had always liked that strip mall as it is one of the few places that have numerous and free parking spaces right in front. So we inquired and spent considerable time trying to work something out. We had hoped to go into the old ABC store space as it had a better storefront and was a larger space. We ran into a road block because the strip center didn't have enough parking spaces by code to accommodate the number of seats that we would have. Because the ABC store was a retail space and we would be converting it to a restaurant, it would require a certain number of additional parking spaces that the center just didn't have. So thats how we chose our existing space, which happens to be the same space that Ray's was in. Inside will be a bit cramped and the outside won't have the look that we had hoped for but its still a great location and we are happy to be coming to Rosslyn. See you around the first of the year hopefully.

Hey Buddy, Leave it to you to ask me a tough one. Actually its fine to ask and I am happy to share as it does come up. So dad was born in Trinidad and he was 82 years old when he passed in 2009. His parents were from India but all dad knew was Trinidad until coming to the U.S. to attend university when he was 18. That was in 1945. Mom was born on a farm in Virginia off of RT 17 about 15 miles northeast of Tappahannock, VA. Her dad was Native American and her mom was Black. They met in the mid 50's at the Industrial Bank at 11th and U (which is still there by the way) where mom worked as a teller. At that time in our country (and forgive me if I over simplify this) you were either black or white. There was no mixed, bi-racial or "other" category in the US. The majority either let you in as white or denied you classifying you as black. Your skin was white or was of a darker shade which automatically made you black. You could either walk into a fancy restaurant in downtown DC or a downtown theater to see a show or you couldn't. You were either black or white. We were black. Dad and mom opened up Ben's on U ST, "Black Broadway" in the heart of an exceptional black community in DC. It was a prideful and complete community amidst the fight for equal rights, human rights, voting rights, educational and economic equality and opportunity and social justice. Mom and dad lived in the black community, worked and started a business in the black community and had the rights of black people in the eyes of the majority and the law. I don't even want to get into the number of times my dad was pulled over by the police and the separate times he was pulled over with my mom because mom is very fair-skinned. As for my brothers and I? We were all born in DC and all worked at the Bowl on U ST, growing up in that area which was then comprised of violent crime, drugs, and prostitution. When our parents moved we were blessed to grow up in a nice home and neighborhood in upper northwest DC, and attended independent schools in DC but we still had the balance of working at Ben's. It really shaped our lives. So we grew up as black in DC. Now did we have the typical black experience and was our life as hard as many blacks in the city? No. All I am saying is that we identify ourselves as black and that experience in DC is what we know. Of course this is not the black experience in the rest of the country or the world, but it was and is our experience. The sign in Ben's which I think is still there as we recently updated our menu boards reads, "Black owned and operated since 1958." This is a source of pride for us. There are fewer and fewer black owned businesses in our city and our country. And we have made it, and as a family working together. Mom and dad celebrated 50+ years of marriage and they both got to see Ben's reach 50 years in business. As the labels and the categories have changed and expanded over the decades, has our experience changed? I think not. Today, I do get stuck when I fill out an official form. I do know that those in the black category need all the help they can get so I often check that box. But saying "I am black" comes across today much differently. When asked, no one is satisfied until I say Trinidad and then I hear a "OOOhhh." I hate to say that the last time I went to Carnival I was just a kid. So much for the Trini's accepting me.

Hi daveo, Thanks for the great question and for following this chat. WOW have I learned a lot! Hate to say BND sounded great at the time. Actually its not that bad. So long story short, I am very glad we did it. Personally, my brother Kamal and I inherited BCB and literally grew up in the business as you know. BND was the logical thing to do next to BCB. We knew we needed to try hard to purchase that building for the longevity of BCB and gladly we did. BND was our intention to be a perfect complement to BCB and I think we succeeded. So all the things that we can't do at The Bowl, we are able to do at Next Door like offer salads, fish and seafood, brunch, alcohol, live music, receptions and holiday parties, watch parties, etc. But with that came a hell of a learning curve. Having never run a bar before we now had a 53 foot bar, and 120 seats, and hosts, food runners, a chef, kitchen printers, fresh seafood and steaks, a full kitchen staff, bartenders, linen, and you name it. Its a very different animal operationally from the Chili Bowl. And the margins are different too. Lots less profit in a business like Next Door, and more employees than BCB despite the 3rd shift (breakfast) that The Bowl has. As business has dropped off with the influx of new and great restaurants all along 14th St, its been a challenge to cut costs and maintain a good profit as sales have decreased a bit. So many many challenges and lessons learned. The big plus is that we proved to ourselves that we could do it, and we are proud of it. The food is much better than I ever expected and best of all, the community loves and appreciates it. Come give it a try if you haven't yet. I think you'll enjoy it.

Thanks again everyone for the great questions. Wanted to let you know that Ben's Chili Bowl (actually my older brother Kamal and my Mom) will be on the Steve Harvey Show tomorrow (Tuesday) at 2pm EST competing against another famous and historic chili restaurant in a segment they call Food Fight. I was holding the fort at the Chili Bowl and didn't make it to Chicago for the taping of the show last week so I can't wait to watch it tomorrow (though I already know who wins!). We promised Steve that we wouldn't tell so you have to watch tomorrow if you want to know who wins the battle for best chili in the country.

Hi Sundae in the Park! Please forgiving me for missing you earlier. Was trying to take the questions in order and somehow inadvertently skipped your great question. We are working on expanding and yes you may see a Ben's outside of the DelMarVa area one day but our plan is to expand from our base here and DC and spread out from here. So if all goes well, regionally before nationally. Its just much safer to branch out from where you are the strongest and have a super strong and supportive base. Plus its much easier logistically to get our specialty half smokes to stores in the area than out to the Midwest or West Coast. But one day hopefully!

Hello Sandynva, I am so glad that as a vegetarian you feel welcome at Ben's! We added our veggie chili a long time ago. You may remember more than I do when that was added. I can't tell you how many people that frequent shows at the 9:30 Club stop at Ben's before or after their show to get veggie chili fries and a milkshake! Since then we added Boca burgers and about a year ago added a veggie dog. We've always wanted to have healthier options and were happy to add them but the veggie dog was a unique story. This addition to the menu was really driven but our customers. We kept getting more and more requests for a veggie dog so we sampled a bunch and added the best tasting one to the menu. Its been pretty popular since we started selling it. And most recently, we added a rice bowl and salad bowl to our menu. The base is either fresh salad greens or rice, then topped with your choice of our chili con carne or veggie chili, shredded cheddar cheese, diced tomatoes, onions, and sour cream if you like. Hate to admit it but I am stuck on the rice bowl! I add jalapeí±os and I love it.

Hi ktmoomau. I love the small homey places too. Our architect was pushing for silestone counters but I am pushing back for formica! Its worked in The Bowl for all these years and its very true to us. And yes, the Rosslyn menu should pretty much mirror the U ST menu. The breakfast options may vary a bit. Thx.

Hey JPW. Its funny because we don't think of Ben's like that. This is our place of work and our family business but its hard day to day to think of the importance of Ben's or its significance when the fryer goes down, or the walk-in breaks down. And in the restaurant business these seem like daily events! There are always things that pull you day to day and emergencies to take care of. You are so right that the restaurant business is a hard one. But I do think that because many think of us as such, and that the wonderful term of institution has been attached to Ben's that we have a huge responsibility. "For those whom much is given, much is expected" JFK said. So we have a responsibility to act as ambassadors for our city and always represent DC well to those who visit us from elsewhere in our country and abroad. We have a responsibility to greet and meet as many people that come in the door as we can. To give them the unique experience, service and food that they have heard about and traveled so far to get. Basically to live up to the high expectations that people have of us before they walk through our door. It can be hard to live up to the hype sometimes. Its like going to see a movie that your heard was the best movie ever and you are so excited to see it. And the movie was really good but didn't quite meet your very high expectations. That can be hard but for the most part I think we meet visitors high expectations. Finally I think we have a responsibility to lead by example. Like when we switched BCB and Next Door over to 100% wind power about 6 years ago. Was just the right thing to do and we wanted to send a message that if our dinosaur 50 year old business can do it, any other businesses can do it too. We also make Ben's available to schools, research projects, filmmakers big and small. So we have to duty to let the people have access to us and to Ben's because its the people that have supported us for 55 years.

Hey LauraB. I would say that the growth overall has been great for this area, other neighboring businesses and for Ben's. New restaurants and bars opening helped to keep the buzz and excitement of U St going. The very recent surge of restaurants all along 14th St that is happening now however is starting to take its toll. There literally are like 20+ new restaurants opening along 14th ST as I am sure Don and you are all keenly aware. And though very individual, many are excellent with great interiors and restaurant groups backing them. We are starting to feel like the small guy on the block! So Next Door has been down a bit. The Bowl has been down as well with the shutdown and the lack of tourists coming to DC. We are part of Destination DC's "DC is Open" campaign to let tourists know that aside from the Fed and the National Parks that DC is open for business. So it remains to be seen what the huge influx of new restaurants will do but its a little concerning that we can all do well with so so many opening so close together. Thanks for your question Laura.

Hey dcandohio. Thanks for the great question. An example I give all the time when talking to people about the changes in the neighborhood is that I would have bet everything I had about 10-15 years ago that a Starbucks would not open within 4 blocks of Ben's...EVER! And I would have lost everything on that bet. Would never have thought there would be one right across the street and another a few blocks away. So even being in this neighborhood for so long I was way way off. The challenges were the many years of raising property values subsequent real estate taxes that went up so dramatically that fixed income seniors were forced from their homes. They were out friends not to mention our neighbors, long time customers and supporters. Then there was the 10+ year period that in anticipation of the metro coming (years before the first hole was dug) that developers bought up much of the property and sat on it for over a decade to reap the benefits of the coming gentrification. Other challenges are the folks that buy a 1/2 million condo facing the alley behind Ben's and then complain about the noise or the trash. We do our best but this is an alley in the middle of a commercial district in the heart of the city. Quiet and squeaky clean it is not. The positives are that U ST is on and popping as some put it. That U ST is immensely popular and is again the place to go. What was a drug-infested and crime ridden street now boasts incredible theaters, live music venues and restaurants again. And we have new construction, new neighbors, a new clientele. Just wasn't what we were used to but I think we adapted well to the change.

To Everyone that has followed this chat, asked great questions and wished the family and I well, I just wanted to say a sincere thanks. Its been a lot of fun. So much so that thanks to Don, I'll keep chatting into next week and I really hope to answer all of your questions. Feel free to keep them coming. I also wanted to do something special for you. As part of our growth a couple years ago we started an online store. So we can ship all of our Ben's t-shirts, hats, and all other merchandise, as well as our half smokes, chili's and even Next Door's She Crab Soup and Jumbo Lump Crab Cakes to any address in the USA. So for you, the members of donrockwell.com only, we have set up the coupon code: DONROCKS which will give you 20% everything on the site. The shipping has been great, especially for former residents that have moved far away and still want their Ben's, or for gifts for family and friends outside of DC. So please check out the store at www.benschilibowl.com/store and if something catches your eye, put that coupon code to good use. It will be valid until the end of the day on Monday. And just for your knowledge, we do all of the packing for our shipping in our gift shop on the second floor above Next Door. Its open from 10am-8pm daily if you want to pop in. Thanks again everyone for being so kind and I look forward to keeping the chat going! Nizam

Hi Marketfan. Great question. I think our vision for the future is to "spread the love" so to speak. We have so much love for our community and the community has so much love for us that it just seems right to want to spread it. To go into other communities in hopes of building that gathering spot there where all people can come together and eat good food, meet one another, create good memories, share stories and gain understanding of one another. To create happy, and fun places where good people can bring friends and family and enjoy one another over a half smoke or bowl of chili. And to spread the message of the importance of family and hard work and perseverance, and history. And you are right that it might be very difficult to do so quickly, but we are game to try. And we hope to be around for a while so if it takes a bit longer to get there thats ok too.

Hi Bettyjoan, nice to meet you and thanks for asking about our Foundation. In fact I wasn't able to chat yesterday because we did our first foundation launch event with a fundraising luncheon at the Chili Bowl. It was amazing that through pledges by corporations, board members, individual friends, and pledges from Ben's Chili Bowl and Ben's Next Door we raised over $40,000! So Mom and Dad have been donating through Ben's and personally since they first opened 55 years ago. And they have instilled in us that need to continue to give as much as we can for as long as we can. In tribute to the legacy of what mom and dad have done, we started the Ben's Chili Bowl Foundation to continue the good that they have done. Our mission statement is "Ben's Chili Bowl Foundation is committed to positively impacting its community by giving back to the neighborhoods where we live and work." Some of the groups that Ben's Chili Bowl has donated to regularly over the years are: Teaching for Change, For the Love of Children, Hope and a Home, Emmaus Center for the Aging, Mary's Center, The Barker Foundation, Hung Tao Choy Mei Leadership Institute, Siblings Together, & Coach Nickelberry's Summer Basket Camp @ Howard University. We hope to greatly increase our giving in the future with our Foundation.

Hi bbhasin, GREAT story about meeting Jyotika! Thanks for sharing. She is my rock and I love her deeply. And so impressive she is. I am proud to say that I married up! Hope you enjoyed her company. And a quick cute story for you, I first saw Jyotika for the first time at a great hole in the wall bar and music venue called State of The Union one block up from Ben's. And my mom and dad first met each other when she was working as a teller at Industrial Bank at 11th and U ST back in the mid 50's. So these 2 great marriages in our family first started on U St both a block away from Ben's Chili Bowl. So about you coming to Ben's....We look forward to seeing you in Arlington but you HAVE to come visit us on U street and see the original. Its really a wonderful old place and to really get it you have to step foot in it at least once. But don't feel bad, literally everyday I am greeting customers in Ben's and someone says "I have lived in DC or MD for 30 years and I pass by here all the time but this is my first time in." So let me know when you are coming! And thanks for the kind words and well wishes.

Hi FunnyJohn. Man I miss the old days! I am one of those nostalgic people and I, like many people have such vivid memories of back in the day. The ones that come to mind the most was when DC was off the hook. I worked the night shift during the summers back in the mid 80's when I was in my middle teens and the night shift customers back then were filled with hustlers, prostitutes and junkies. I remember taking the orders of people that would place their order, then nod off, while standing up. Others that ordered and then picked their faces while looking in the mirror until their food was ready. Both from the horrible effects of drug abuse. People having sex in the alley behind the dumpster and others standing up still in the alley with a needle still stuck in their arm. The DC Control Board, being the murder capital of the world, and a very different U St. Within Ben's I miss the regulars that frequented Ben's from early on up until their passing away. Those regulars that were more extended family members than customers. They helped raise me and show me the ropes. I miss their conversations which sounded like fights as they discussed our professional sports teams, our mayor or national issues. I miss the personalities and the characters that were so prevalent around U St. And I miss those long-time residents that were forced out by all of the growth as their home real estate taxes skyrocketed. As far as the best thing that has happened in DC since Ben's opened? I am stumped. So much has happened and I don't think I can pick just one. But YES, DC is now a foodie town. We are known nationally as such and that is great. The new reputation greatly helps our tourism and brings people from around the county to DC for a different reason. More people visiting DC helps our local businesses and our local economy and I am glad that tourism in general has been growing. As for Ben's role in that, I am just happy we are holding down DC's signature dish and that we build on DC's foodie reputation by offering a taste and glimpse of classic DC. I think we have helped the half smoke become a speciality and sought after item and it's interesting seeing it pop up on fancy restaurant menus around the rejoin. I even saw the half smoke with a shout out to Ben's in a restaurant in Jacksonville, FL.

Thanks for your question Rovers2000, and its a good one. It really feels as though the time is right. Before Dad passed in 2009, he gave us his blessing to expand. Wow, I just thought of it, it was 4 years today that he passed. Also, my oldest brother Sage and his wife returned from California after being there over 25 years to come back and take care of mom, and to jump back into the business. So now we have more help to maintain the original Ben's Chili Bowl, Next Door, and the stadiums and have more support to push forward. But as a family business and one with this history and legacy, its much more important to get it right and expand slowly then to open more stores for money. So thats why it has taken this long. Its kind of a fluke that we are working on 3 places at the same time. It just happened that way. So wish us luck! We are doing our best to get it right.

Hi dcandohio, thanks for being so excited. I hope I don't disappoint.

Hey Keithstg, Nice to meet you and no question is too obvious! Its interesting because its been a little challenging of what elements to bring over. How do we recreate the look of a 100+ year old building and 55 year old business. 55 year old booths, stools, counter? Do we bring over our crazy bright florescent lights that are in the front section of Ben's or something a little nicer? All subjects of family debates. We always want to have a counter with stools for guests to sit and eat where they can see the "action" and the food being prepared behind the counter that look for that in future BCB's. We have a furniture meeting today at 3pm. I am pushing for the staying with the formica with the boomerang tops! But honestly there are many serious discussions like the music for example. So as you know our jukebox and the music is a huge part of Ben's. But very rarely these days do people put money in the jukebox to play songs. Everyday we put money in (which gets split with the jukebox company) just to keep the music flowing. Do we add a jukebox to new locations? And though one answer is "of course!" its hard to keep CD jukeboxes current. And internet jukeboxes that update themselves are way too flashy for us. Plus its gives too much of a range of music I think. Believe me we are trying hard to get the next upcoming locations right. And we are open to suggestions by all. Thanks for your question!

Hi Daveo. Thanks for the kind words and the well wishes. My wife Jyotika speaks of Don's mother often. She had a real impact on Jyotika and was a wonderful influence in her life. The power of exceptional teachers.