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As a longtime resident of Mt. Pleasant and former quasi-resident of Cleveland Park, that hill has consistently thwarted any notions of biking over to grab a meal at Dino, Nam Viet, Ripple, Vace, Indique, etc.

That hill is a bastard.

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17 minutes ago, Gadarene said:

As a longtime resident of Mt. Pleasant and former quasi-resident of Cleveland Park, that hill has consistently thwarted any notions of biking over to grab a meal at Dino, Nam Viet, Ripple, Vace, Indique, etc.

That hill is a bastard.

Blame Rock Creek.

Sometimes known as Rock River after a hurricane or snow melt. Taken May 16, 2014:

Rock-River.mov (50 megs)

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So...the old 4Ps space, which eventually became the Uptown Tap House (the world's most boring bar) is now the Uptown Art House (for all of your climate justice art needs), which has the lease until December, at which point the building is slated to become a "Union Market" style food hall.

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On 6/12/2017 at 2:32 PM, DanielK said:

Not just RC Park, but the Zoo.

Also there's a huge hill for the 1/4 mile as you go east from Cleveland Park. So after the first 3 blocks, it's an easier walk to go the longer distance to Mt. Pleasant/Columbia Heights than up that crazy steep hill.

Don't laugh too much - my fiancee lived in Mt. Pleasant while we were dating, and even though we're in pretty good shape, I can't tell you the number of times that hill made us decide to walk to 14th St/U St instead of up Porter.

I always parked on Porter, often a good way down the hill, because I always knew I would eventually find a space, unlike up on Connecticut and all l of the residential streets off of it. I gladly walked up that hill many times for Palena food.

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43 minutes ago, Pool Boy said:

I always parked on Porter, often a good way down the hill, because I always knew I would eventually find a space, unlike up on Connecticut and all l of the residential streets off of it. I gladly walked up that hill many times for Palena food.

There's also that street that angles off of Porter right by Connecticut - I'm on my cellphone right now so I can't look it up, but any fan of Palena knows what I'm talking about (it was usually full with residents) - I suspect that anyone who dined at Palena more than ten times had a little driving algorithm they'd make a couple of times, before bailing out and parking in Sam's lot. I had my fair share of good luck parking on the NE side of Connecticut, but I'd often time my trip so I'd arrive at about 6:28.

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On 6/13/2017 at 10:28 PM, DonRocks said:

There's also that street that angles off of Porter right by Connecticut - I'm on my cellphone right now so I can't look it up, but any fan of Palena knows what I'm talking about (it was usually full with residents) - I suspect that anyone who dined at Palena more than ten times had a little driving algorithm they'd make a couple of times, before bailing out and parking in Sam's lot. I had my fair share of good luck parking on the NE side of Connecticut, but I'd often time my trip so I'd arrive at about 6:28.

That one never worked for me. But yeah, I always had a rotation I'd try if I had time. if no time, straight to Porter.

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17 hours ago, Pool Boy said:

That one never worked for me. But yeah, I always had a rotation I'd try if I had time. if no time, straight to Porter.

The only time it worked for me is *occasionally*, I'd see a space close to Connecticut Avenue; the further up I went, the less chance I had of getting a space, because of all the people living on that street - if you couldn't see an open space from Porter Street, it was usually best not to even try going up Quebec Street (I finally looked up the name).

Here's the map - once you got past Adas Israel Congregation (*), your odds of finding a space rapidly approached zero.

(*) Incidentally, this Synagogue was built in 1951, but the original building, erected in 1876 at 701 3rd Street NW, is the oldest surviving Synagogue in DC, and is now the Lillian & Albert Small Jewish Museum. It's dedication was attended by President Ulysses S. Grant, and was the first Jewish service attended by a sitting U.S. President.

At the Adas Israel Congregation, you'll walk by the Garden of the Righteous, which contains a set of memorial stones, one of which is dedicated to Jan Karski, who was one of the most important Polish Jews of World War II, risking his life on an extended basis for numerous, incredibly important, anti-Nazi missions - everyone, Jew or Gentile, should know about Jan Karski (pronounced "Yahn"), who later became a professor at Georgetown University. Karski is one of the most important people of the twentieth century who still rests in relative obscurity.

This episode of Enlightening the Goyem, also known as Inflicting Guilt on the Chosen, has been brought to you by DonRocks.

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Wow, this is sad.  Isn't like Nam-Viet is a budget buster, this is just consumer neglect.  But I am actually more inclined to head over to Petworth nowadays than CP, for food.  If the Uptown theater would ever invest in more contemporary seats, I would be in the neighborhood even more.  CP is rapidly becoming a chain destination or brand outpost, I hope a couple independents make it work there.  

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1 hour ago, DaRiv18 said:

But I am actually more inclined to head over to Petworth nowadays than CP, for food.

This is pretty much the reason CP restaurants are closing in record numbers. Petworth/Columbia Heights/Shaw/etc are all hot dining spots, and a lot of these diners used to head to CP frequently.

It's easily solvable - just add some parking and drop the rents a bit, but as long as there are chains willing to take those spots at the current rate, or landlords willing to sit on vacancies, this will only accelerate.

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10 hours ago, DanielK said:

This is pretty much the reason CP restaurants are closing in record numbers. Petworth/Columbia Heights/Shaw/etc are all hot dining spots, and a lot of these diners used to head to CP frequently.

I live in Petworth. Have for 27 years now. We used to go to CP for dinner, drinks, etc. There was nothing over here, and it was easily metro accessible on Fridays after work for a bunch of us coming from various places. 

In the last 15 years, it has become possible to hang out here in the neighborhood for dinner, drinks, etc. And then, we can walk home!

The final reasons we aren't in CP very much at all any more:

Nanny's changed hands and the music is gone.

Sorriso is gone. So is Aroma.

The Uptown doesn't really get the best movies any more.

A lot of us work from home on Fridays now, so we are coming from home when we go out - nice to be able to stay close!

The reason we still go there some times:

VACE!

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22 hours ago, DanielK said:

This is pretty much the reason CP restaurants are closing in record numbers. Petworth/Columbia Heights/Shaw/etc are all hot dining spots, and a lot of these diners used to head to CP frequently.

It's easily solvable - just add some parking and drop the rents a bit, but as long as there are chains willing to take those spots at the current rate, or landlords willing to sit on vacancies, this will only accelerate.

I think it's not just CP but Clarendon and other areas that used to thrive but have fallen victim to higher rents and the ease with which diners from the suburbs can get to Petworth, Shaw, H St. and all the other innovative areas thanks to Uber and Lyft.  Why should anyone stick around Arlington to dine with the bros when the city is only a $10 Uber ride away?

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1 hour ago, Davo99 said:

I think it's not just CP but Clarendon and other areas that used to thrive but have fallen victim to higher rents and the ease with which diners from the suburbs can get to Petworth, Shaw, H St. and all the other innovative areas thanks to Uber and Lyft.  Why should anyone stick around Arlington to dine with the bros when the city is only a $10 Uber ride away?

I live in Ballston, there are enough fast casual spots within walking distance of Ballston, we just don't go out that far unless we want something special, and then yes- we normally make the trek into DC or to the burbs.  We used to really like Fuego (closed), GPB menu just doesn't change often enough, why go to Screwtop when we have Cheesetique, why go to Citizen when we have Big Buns, I do still really like Lyon Hall, but I liked Clarendon better when if one place was full we had lots of other options we could walk to... I would love a good Italian place and would go to Clarendon for that.  We really haven't been going out in DC that often though- we are just so darn busy on weekdays and weekends.

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4 hours ago, Tweaked said:

Big on the CP list serve as well. 

I also read the article.  I imagine Tweaked is well versed in this issue as the article describes the interaction of the listserve for the area, which has been running since 1999.  From my perspective these folks have a significant awareness of the issues.

The demographics of the city have changed.  Neighborhoods, that weren't restaurant attractive years ago are now densely populated with consumers that could have dined at CP years ago and now have ample or more than ample alternatives.  The competition is fierce and expansive and at a level now that wasn't in existence 20 years ago let alone 7 or 8 years ago.  Demographics have changed.

On that note one of the issues referenced in the area is that local citizens have debated whether to increase density in CP or not.  Density being both residential and commercial.  The group is evidently split, with age being a determinant.  Not surprising.   More on that note:

The Washington DC Economic Partnership http://wdcep.com has an email they can send out with the type of demographic reports for each of the distinctive 54 neighborhoods in DC wherein they are trying to attract businesses. They are the types of demographic reports that tenants receive all the time when surveying and analyzing potential locations.

The nice thing about the report is that they are all consistent in their preparation.  They have similarly prepared reports for each commercial neighborhood; descriptions of populations in 1/2 mile, 1 mile, and 3 mile radii.  Behind that is an enormous amount of data.

I happened to glance at 4;  Cleveland Park, Van Ness (because its a wee bit up the street), Columbia Hgts, because it was the neighborhood alphabetically after Cleveland Park, and H Street...(well just because).  Cleveland Park (CP) and Van Ness (VN) have far thinner demographics than C Hgts, and H Street.  Pretty dramatic.  Lots more potential diners, lots more $$ spent on dining, etc.  Somewhat striking.  I didn't go beyond those 4 neighborhoods because this is an overwhelming amount of data even for a geeky data kind of person.

The folks in CP know this.  They've evidently known this for a while.  The discussion about density has been going on for a good period of time.  It could be the core of the issue, or at least one of the key points.

In any case the letter published by the Nam Viet folks was  poignant and touching.  They thanked regular customers.  That is sweet and about as neighborhoodly as it gets. It is also represented in the Post article.   But changing demographics, changing habits, and competition are difficult for all businesses, let alone restaurants.  That never changes.  Tough tough tough nut.

For a different neighborhood I noticed something and had a conversation with some restaurant owners I know.  In the Courthouse Arlington neighborhood this week I was working late and around prime time happy hour passed Courthouse Social and Fireworks Arlington.  Tuesday and Thursday evenings.  Tuesday was a delightful evening, Thursday slightly less comfortable but not bad.  Both places have outdoor patio's and were busy, one very dramatically crowded.  I went back and did quick counts of folks eating and dining.  Roughly about 200 diners and drinkers both nights, roughly about evenly distributed between the two places.

Pretty good crowds to my uneducated eye.  Both places had more capacity, maybe up to twice as much, but these were weekdays not weekend nights.  Also I have no idea how many diners and drinkers populated those two places earlier or later in the evenings.  Looked very active though.  These are restaurant/bars.  They aren't region wide foodie destination places or dramatically known for any particular element.   I'd primarily call them neighborhood places. 

For the time being and the season they are doing the right things.  Courthouse Social particularly is a restaurant taking over a space that was cursed for over a decade with different operations trying and ultimately failing. 

Meanwhile during the week I ran into two restaurant partners meeting with a friend of theirs.  I know all of them.  This last restaurant has upped its competitive game.  Its "known" in the foodie world and has a good region wide reputation for food quality.  But it may have grown stale and unchanged.  Over the last several months they have modernized their website, expanded their social web reach and efforts, and done some things to attract more business.  I'd noticed the changes.  I asked one of the partners if it was working.  He didn't give me a hard yes or no.  I don't know.  I hope it is working on their behalf.  They know.  They also hopefully realize that sometimes these efforts take time to bear fruit.

Just to keep a place going in an ever changing environment is difficult.  It requires different skill sets than being the best chef or the most engaging FOH person in the region.  All that being said, if I were a long term resident of CP, I'd be crushed at the loss of all those restaurants in the last few years.  In the Courthouse Arlington area I still mourn the closing of Minh's;  mostly reasonably good food, some excellent dishes, a great place for lunch takeout and very very nice people. 

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I read the CP listserve on and off, I usually get 2-3 listserve e-mails per day, covering 10-15 topic threads per e-mail.  Not once have I seen a CP restaurant place an advertisement on the listserve.  

The Post article says it has a readership of 17,000(?) people.  Now granted there are probably many who are casual readers, but talk about a targeted audience.  

Some others have suggested maybe doing a monthly special with all the strip businsses participating.  It would be great if the new CP farmers market started doing cool collobrative things with the businesses.

obviously, there are many issues to deal with here, but I think some good old fashioned neighborhood marketing would be benefical.

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10 minutes ago, Tweaked said:

I read the CP listserve on and off, I usually get 2-3 listserve e-mails per day, covering 10-15 topic threads per e-mail.  Not once have I seen a CP restaurant place an advertisement on the listserve.  

The Post article says it has a readership of 17,000(?) people.  Now granted there are probably many who are casual readers, but talk about a targeted audience.  

Some others have suggested maybe doing a monthly special with all the strip businsses participating.  It would be great if the new CP farmers market started doing cool collobrative things with the businesses.

obviously, there are many issues to deal with here, but I think some good old fashioned neighborhood marketing would be benefical.

hm.  17k readers is enough to justify some advertising. Of course that is subject to the cost. Costs really can't be high...in fact pretty low...and we are speaking of restaurant meals...not selling houses.  Pretty amazing that not a single restaurant spent a single dollar on the listserve.   I agree with Tweaked above...What is more local???    Of note I've spoken to some f&b operators that choose some local media and are happy with the results.  Can't know unless you try.  I've heard that "events" or changes or announcements are the types of things that work on micro local levels.

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It's quite possible people have tried advertising and I've missed it, but I feel like I read the listserve enough to get a general feeling for what is regularly posted, and I've definitely seen realtors posting listings/open houses.  Those threads get tagged as paid advertisements. 

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Per the CP Listserve:

To Our Cleveland Park Neighbors:
First things first: Nanny O’Briens is not closing its doors!

With our 25th anniversary just over the horizon in April 2018, we plan to continue operating on the Connecticut Avenue strip we’ve called home since 1993 with the same great burgers and pub food, large craft beer selection (and, of course, pints of Guinness), fun kids menu, and friendly service you expect from your neighborhood tavern.

However, things have been tough here. Over the past few years—and, in particular the past few months—as the face of Cleveland Park has changed and competition throughout DC has grown, foot traffic has gone down while the cost of rent, goods and labor have increased. This beloved neighborhood institution—owned by three Cleveland Park natives—is struggling to break even on some months.

We are now looking to you, our neighbors and friends, for support.

Starting at 12 noon this Thursday, August 31st, we will be offering a Thursday Neighborhood Discount of 20% off the bill for all our patrons who live in the 20008 and 20016 zip codes.

Now in the spirit of a rising tide lifting all boats, we reached out to our neighbors who will be running their own Thursday specials, including:

· Atomic Billiards will offer half priced pool with a purchase all night long and $5 draft beers from 8pm til close

· Spices Asian Restaurant will have $3.95 small plates and select sushi dishes, as well as half off their cocktail menu and beer

· Cleveland Park Bar & Grill will offer half priced wings from 5pm til midnight, as well as a new late night food, beer, and liquor happy hour after 10 pm on Thursdays, Fridays, and Saturdays

· Fat Pete’s Barbecue will continue their select $3 draft beers at the bar from open til close

We are all united in trying to make Thursday a sort of weekly Cleveland Park day, a celebration of the neighborhood we call home. We hope that by offering these specials it will inspire the community to show its support for us at Nanny’s and our fellow local, small businesses.

Thank you for your continued support and we hope to see you all soon—and often!

Curt Large, Nanny O’Briens owner
Michael Johnstone, Nanny O’Briens General Manager

P.S. Please keep an eye out on our website (www.nannyobriens.com http://www.nannyobriens.com) Facebook page (www.facebook.com/nannyobriens http://www.facebook.com/nannyobriens), Twitter (@NannyOBriens) , and the Cleveland Park Listserv for updated daily and weekly specials.

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1 hour ago, Tweaked said:

Per the CP Listserve:

To Our Cleveland Park Neighbors:
First things first: Nanny O’Briens is not closing its doors!

With our 25th anniversary just over the horizon in April 2018, we plan to continue operating on the Connecticut Avenue strip we’ve called home since 1993 with the same great burgers and pub food, large craft beer selection (and, of course, pints of Guinness), fun kids menu, and friendly service you expect from your neighborhood tavern.

However, things have been tough here. Over the past few years—and, in particular the past few months—as the face of Cleveland Park has changed and competition throughout DC has grown, foot traffic has gone down while the cost of rent, goods and labor have increased. This beloved neighborhood institution—owned by three Cleveland Park natives—is struggling to break even on some months.

We are now looking to you, our neighbors and friends, for support.

Starting at 12 noon this Thursday, August 31st, we will be offering a Thursday Neighborhood Discount of 20% off the bill for all our patrons who live in the 20008 and 20016 zip codes.

Now in the spirit of a rising tide lifting all boats, we reached out to our neighbors who will be running their own Thursday specials, including:

· Atomic Billiards will offer half priced pool with a purchase all night long and $5 draft beers from 8pm til close

· Spices Asian Restaurant will have $3.95 small plates and select sushi dishes, as well as half off their cocktail menu and beer

· Cleveland Park Bar & Grill will offer half priced wings from 5pm til midnight, as well as a new late night food, beer, and liquor happy hour after 10 pm on Thursdays, Fridays, and Saturdays

· Fat Pete’s Barbecue will continue their select $3 draft beers at the bar from open til close

We are all united in trying to make Thursday a sort of weekly Cleveland Park day, a celebration of the neighborhood we call home. We hope that by offering these specials it will inspire the community to show its support for us at Nanny’s and our fellow local, small businesses.

Long time ago there was a differently named and owned Irish bar where Nanny O'Brien's sits.  Recall it fondly, though not the name.  I invested a lot of money in beer and burgers there.

The above is a stark statement of the current reality and an effort to overcome it.  I've seen other restaurants reach out to locals in their zips with discounts to try and boost sales.

It is tough out there.  Best of luck to the current restaurants in Cleveland Park and elsewhere.   The somewhat "tougher part of the equation" is that as neighborhoods such as Cleveland Park lose customers to 14th Street, U Street et al, they need to attract the residents of other restaurant neighborhoods in the Connecticut and Wisconsin Avenue neighborhoods through promos such as the above.  So those restaurants further up Conn Ave and along Wisconsin take some hits.   Lots of restaurants, not enough customers to go around. 

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12 minutes ago, DaveO said:

Long time ago there was a differently named and owned Irish bar where Nanny O'Brien's sits.  Recall it fondly, though not the name.  I invested a lot of money in beer and burgers there.

I used to go there, too.

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3 hours ago, dcs said:

I used to go there, too.

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3 hours ago, Tweaked said:

Gallagher's Pub (home to a young Mary Chapin Carpenter open mike night).  Ghosts of DC with the story of 3319 Connecticut Avenue, NW

Ahhh Gallagher's....What a picture.  what memories.   I had a crush on a bartender as did a friend of mine.  We both struck out with her.  ....my gut is she made big bucks on our tips.  ;)

fond memories....and another memory.  I was there with a lady and she was drinking irish coffees.  Evidently too many.  As the night moved on I had the sense of being with "the two faces of Eve".  she was alternately drowsy from the liquor and overly perky from the coffee.   Quite weird.

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18 hours ago, Tweaked said:

Per the CP Listserve:

To Our Cleveland Park Neighbors:
First things first: Nanny O’Briens is not closing its doors!

Curt Large, Nanny O’Briens owner
Michael Johnstone, Nanny O’Briens General Manager

The options in that neighborhood used to be so damn good. It's so damn sad. Funny, I am part of the problem I guess in that I dine either further up Connecticut Avenue (Macon Bistro) or in other parts DC (Mirabelle when I am feeling flush for obvious reasons that readers of my posts know too well, still more all over).

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As a longtime CP resident, here are some local tips for anyone to come to the neighborhood:

1. Parking is tough but not too bad if you don't mind a small walk (similar to what I do when I visit 14th St).  If you don't find a spot on your first pass, go one block north of Porter on CT Ave and turn left on Rodman St and head up a not steep hill.  After a block (after the Quebec St left turn), Melvin Hazen Park is on the right and the houses on the left have parking in the back. You can find a spot here 90% of the time and it'll only take you 5-10 minutes to walk back to CT. The spots next to the park don't even have time restrictions if you go far enough up toward Reno.  (as mentioned above you can also park down Porter st toward Rock Creek but then you have a hill to hike up).

2. Bindaas - make a reservation several days in advance and enjoy. Almost everything is very good.

3. Ardeo  - neighborhood sleeper still churning out great food and they have a small roof deck for nice weather.

4. Medium Rare - you know the deal, it is a good, not too pricey dinner. If you don't like your first serving, I usually find the seconds to be better.

5. Vace - still the best non-Neapolitan pizza in DC. If you like onions, the white with onions will not disappoint. Also the freezer cases with tortellini are pretty good. And they have great homemade mozzarella behind the counter. And a bunch of other goodies.

6. Dolan - try the Mom's Lagman - really good handmade chewy noodles. a bit different than you find elsewhere. Stick with the noodle dishes.

7. Indique - is really good indian food. Very nice service and nice atmosphere. Nice enough for a date or evening out but not too expensive. I especially like the biryanis and samosa chaat. They also have a great brunch on weekends. 

8. Spices - Big Duck and Shaky Beef - solid dishes. Ginger salad is good too. Skip the sushi.

The above are worth a trip - not for once in a lifetime Michelin cooking - but for solid food at good prices.  Here are some other comments if you happen to be nearby:

9. Fresh Med - pretty good baklava

10. Firehook  - yes it has other locations with really fudgy brownies, good cakes and cookies - but CP has the great hidden aroma garden in the back.

11. Siam House  - get the Pad Eggplant - my fave. We often get carryout but the dishes are better when you eat in (less steaming in carryout containers).

Plus a bunch of other quick food options on your way to the Uptown, Zoo, shul, etc. (California Tortilla - fish tacos or honey lime burrito are what I get, Chipotle, Fat Pete's, etc.)

And that is just Connecticut Ave. On Wisconsin, I'd recommend:

12. Raku - this place rocks. Really good sushi - (check out the special menu with fish flown in from Tsukiji) - I think the nigiri here is the way to go over other places which emphasize creative maki rolls. I also love the Tokyo dashi soup, agedashi tofu (their has extra vegetables than usual which are great), for the picky eaters the Chicken entrée with essentially pad thai on the side is excellent), and the bento boxes are good and huge - the veggie bento is really great too.

13. 2 Amys  - still amazing Neapolitan pizza and don't forget all the other goodies on the menu. I often like the seasonal pizzas, great crostini, get the lamb skewers when they have them, and always good are the salt cod croquettes. Roasted olives and peppers and anchovies are also good. Donuts on the weekends and ice cream all the time are delish.

14. Barcelona - I've only been once, but really liked it. Plan to go again soon.   

So don't worry - CP is doing ok and you should come eat some of our good food. It continues to evolve. Fat Pete's was an empty old mcdonalds for years and now is a thriving ok place. Ripple was originally a lackluster shoe store for years. We'll see what comes their next.  

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I wonder why that Nanny O'Brien's special is not good for the 20010 zip code of Mt. Pleasant. It's a short walk, 1 bus stop, or drive from my house on the east side of the park. I confess I hardly ever think about going to Cleveland Park to eat, even though it's closer than many other mediocre places in Columbia Heights. I guess I'm part of the problem. 

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On 7/24/2020 at 6:00 PM, saf said:

I hope whoever goes in there keeps that patio. I have always loved that space.

Something is wrong with that neighborhood. What are the landlords thinking? During a pandemic, is rent gouging really a strategy? This is the neighborhood that couldn't even support a McDonald;'s , despite the large number of subsidized residents. 

What I hated the most about working on that creepy little strip of Connecticut Avenue was all the $%$&*&* baby strollers.  It was Pram Jam all day. 

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On 7/30/2020 at 12:32 PM, Tweaked said:

The city has closed the CP service lane and made it for pedestrians. Hopefully they keep it that way and make it a more people friendly space.

Not sure what will happen in the long run, but this is also become a big help to the restaurants there as Al Volo (good pasta and other Italian) now has outdoor dining, and Bindaas and Sababa has outdoor dining too. They both setup nice tables in the service lane that are appropriately distanced and one or both have a tent or umbrellas (can't recall) for shade. Medium Rare always had outdoor seating but now has a tent up for shade too. Tino's Pizza (which is rather good) has expanded its outdoor seating including setting up some outdoor movie nights on the weekends on a small screen under the Uptown outdoor awning/marquee.  Most of the rest of the restaurants in CP are churning along but hurting like the rest of the industry. We are still supporting through regular pizza and Italian delights from Vace, Tino's Pizza, Dolan (still love the noodles), Siam House (solid thai), etc.  We did recently lose Coppi's (sad to see a business close after 6 years, but the food was drek IMHO so no big loss for me) and Firehook. Firehook leaving is very sad because it was there for over 2 decdades churned out great cookies, cakes, cinnamon rolls, fudgy brownies, etc. and we'll miss the lovely Roma patio in the back.

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On 7/30/2020 at 12:19 PM, Mark Slater said:

What I hated the most about working on that creepy little strip of Connecticut Avenue was all the $%$&*&* baby strollers.  It was Pram Jam all day. 

What can I say, lots of us in CP like to procreate - when I was pushing strollers back in the day it wasn't exactly ...

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