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Is Trump's hidden agenda to destroy the Republican party from within?  The only reason that I doubted that was that it would also bring down his brand.  However, a new thought occurred to me....by delivering 60 senate seats to the Democratic party, he'd do more for the Democratic party than any current Democrat.  He would be hailed as the savior of the planet by later walking back all the whacko things he said.  The last person who did as much for the Democratic party was W.

Not trying to start any political fights...Morning Joe (Scarborough) says Trump has been a Democrat for 65 years of his life, has been friends of the Clintons, and has basically been fighting the Republican establishment during his entire campaign, but can't explain how he would be willing be sacrifice his family/brand for the Democratic party.

Would people believe it if he said his true goal was to elect a Democratic super-majority in the Senate and a majority in the House?  Would Democrats hail him as a hero, which would burnish his brand? 

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Colbert was freakin' awesome last night with the whole birther bullshit.

This past Friday, Donald Trump finally brought himself to say the words, “President Barack Obama was born in the United States, period.”

“That’s what’s called a firm grasp of the obvious,” Stephen Colbert declared on Monday night’s Late Show. “Next I assume he’s going to announce that water is wet, that bears poop in the woods, and that Donald Trump is not qualified to be president.”

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3 hours ago, Al Dente said:

Colbert was freakin' awesome last night with the whole birther bullshit.

I propose that anyone who declares themselves as "undecided" at this point be denied the right to vote. :)

Although they'd make for an interesting psychological study - I wonder if anybody is truly undecided right now. Meh, I suppose there are those who haven't even thought about all this nonsense yet - and they're probably the smart ones.

On a different note, I don't remember an ex-President ever supporting someone from the opposing party (assuming this is true):

"George H.W. Bush To Vote for Hillary Clinton" by Darren Samuelsohn on politco.com

(Related trivia)

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On 10/4/2016 at 2:02 PM, Al Dente said:

I'm really losing any remaining shred of faith in humanity. You can't fix stupid, and these folks will be around long after the election regardless of who wins. 

Depressing as hell...

‘Finally. Someone who thinks like me.’ by Stephanie McCrummen on The Washington Post.

Both men and women write to people on Death Row of their preferred gender.  This is fundamentally no different, and if anything, there's an extra layer to it, because some people love the idea of *telling* people they're for him (or in fairness, her, too) simply for the 'trolling effect' and/or the attention they get from people looking to 'convert' them to their way of thinking.  Evangelicalism and politics are the same damned thing now.

"Why don't you like ~my guy/gal/deity~?'  She/He/It works for me, so you must be *flawed* and in desperate need of fixing!  Here, let me give you the personalized attention I don't realize you secretly crave because I'm too intrigued and blinded by the idea of changing your mind!"

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14 minutes ago, TrelayneNYC said:

I'm skeptical we'll have elections next year.

And if we do manage to have one, that the current occupant of the White House will win fairly.

And if by some chance he loses, that the transfer of power takes place.

Let's hope I'm wrong, shall we?

We'll have an election next year.  Your second point is based on one's point of view - there's no way the Dems will think Trump will do anything fairly.  If Trump loses, he'll give up power.  I'm pretty objective since I'm ambivalent about who runs the country.

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On 8/26/2019 at 4:36 PM, Ericandblueboy said:

We'll have an election next year.  Your second point is based on one's point of view - there's no way the Dems will think Trump will do anything fairly.  If Trump loses, he'll give up power.  I'm pretty objective since I'm ambivalent about who runs the country.

I'm glad you think that because this happened today:

https://publicintegrity.org/federal-politics/federal-election-commission-fec-to-effectively-shut-down/

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Federal Election Commission Vice Chairman Matthew Petersen announced his resignation today. 

This means the agency that enforces and regulates the nation’s campaign finance laws will effectively shut down — something that hasn’t happened since 2008 — because it won’t have the legal minimum of four commissioners to make high-level decisions.

Maybe we should start to teach ourselves Russian.

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In the meantime, Twitter will continue to be distracted by chicken sandwiches and the same with the general public.

Clock's ticking.

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And this happened today

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/08/28/children-us-troops-born-overseas-will-no-longer-get-automatic-american-citizenship.html
 

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Children born to U.S. service members and government employees overseas will no longer be automatically considered citizens of the United States, according to policy alert issued by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) on Wednesday.

Previously, children born to U.S. citizen parents were considered to be "residing in the United States," and therefore would be automatically granted citizenship under Immigration and Nationality Act 320. Now, children born to U.S. service members and government employees, such as those born in U.S. military hospitals or diplomatic facilities, will not be considered as residing in the U.S., changing the way that they potentially receive citizenship.

but good on someone upthread for being and I quote

On 8/26/2019 at 4:36 PM, Ericandblueboy said:

ambivalent about who runs the country.

Because, you know, this would have totally happened under Obama if the Dear Leader's predecessor had just been given the opportunity.

#sarcasm

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On 8/26/2019 at 4:36 PM, Ericandblueboy said:

We'll have an election next year.  Your second point is based on one's point of view - there's no way the Dems will think Trump will do anything fairly.  If Trump loses, he'll give up power.  I'm pretty objective since I'm ambivalent about who runs the country.

Sorry, I just to come “back” to agree and echo Eric’s sentiments. Sorry Trelayne

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On 8/28/2019 at 7:43 PM, TrelayneNYC said:

And this happened today

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/08/28/children-us-troops-born-overseas-will-no-longer-get-automatic-american-citizenship.html

but good on someone upthread for being and I quote

Because, you know, this would have totally happened under Obama if the Dear Leader's predecessor had just been given the opportunity.

#sarcasm

A *huge* deal was made about this USCIS policy change yesterday by people who didn't understand it. DOD estimates it's going to affect 100 people annually and worked with USCIS to develop the change, which brought USCIS policy in line with Department of State policy. It means that children born abroad to U.S. government or military employees who are U.S. citizens won't automatically be U.S. citizens as if they were born in the United States, but they can still acquire citizenship by filing an application. It's not great (an extra step, an application fee), but it's not one of the many OMG THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS SO EVIL immigration policies we've seen implemented.

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1 hour ago, alan7147 said:

Sorry, I just to come “back” to agree and echo Eric’s sentiments. Sorry Trelayne

There's absolutely no problem with your agreeing with Eric's sentiments. Why are you apologizing to Trelayne? Intelligent discourse, which includes opposing points of view, is what we're all about.

That said, Eric has said *a lot* in this thread. Do you agree with every single thing? Part of what he has written? Or ... ?

As a starting point, here's his first post, much of which is in the form of questions - what do you agree with here?

On 8/3/2016 at 9:45 AM, Ericandblueboy said:

Is Trump's hidden agenda to destroy the Republican party from within?  The only reason that I doubted that was that it would also bring down his brand.  However, a new thought occurred to me....by delivering 60 senate seats to the Democratic party, he'd do more for the Democratic party than any current Democrat.  He would be hailed as the savior of the planet by later walking back all the whacko things he said.  The last person who did as much for the Democratic party was W.

Not trying to start any political fights...Morning Joe (Scarborough) says Trump has been a Democrat for 65 years of his life, has been friends of the Clintons, and has basically been fighting the Republican establishment during his entire campaign, but can't explain how he would be willing be sacrifice his family/brand for the Democratic party.

Would people believe it if he said his true goal was to elect a Democratic super-majority in the Senate and a majority in the House?  Would Democrats hail him as a hero, which would burnish his brand? 

(I'd be happy to move this into the Current Events forum, but I'm still not sure what this thread is about.)

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On 9/24/2020 at 2:10 PM, Ericandblueboy said:

Okay, any thought that POTUS was a Dem mole is just crazy.  I'm at a loss on how to explain POTUS's behavior - he's a narcissistic sociopath?  As to @TrelayneNYC's suggestion that POTUS won't give up power, Covid-19 has thrown a monkey wrench into a "fair" election.  

I'm fairly sure that many people in government are as tired of his "shtick" as the rest of the population. I don't think he has a choice of giving up power. 

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If I weren't feeling so lazy, I'd go get my Constitution and articulate all the parts I (a non-lawyer) think he violated. Let's just say, he violated his oath of office and yes, "russian agent" b/c they hold his loans. (and balls. can I say that here?)

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On 9/24/2020 at 2:10 PM, Ericandblueboy said:

...I'm at a loss on how to explain POTUS's behavior - he's a narcissistic sociopath?  As to @TrelayneNYC's suggestion that POTUS won't give up power, Covid-19 has thrown a monkey wrench into a "fair" election.  

Why, yes he is.  Textbook.

(from the Mayo Clinic's website) 

"Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:

  • Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
  • Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
  • Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
  • Exaggerate achievements and talents
  • Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
  • Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
  • Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
  • Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
  • Take advantage of others to get what they want
  • Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
  • Be envious of others and believe others envy them
  • Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
  • Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office

At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

  • Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment
  • Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
  • React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
  • Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
  • Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
  • Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
  • Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation"

(just thought this might be helpful)

 

So... watch the 1st "debate" last night?  Any doubt left that the strategy is to ensure that a recognized "fair election" is not possible?  And that any election "outcome" will be contested?

One thing about our sociopath in chief -- he may seem totally unhinged, but he very carefully lays the basis and advertises what he intends to do.  Then he does it.  

For me, the question is no longer about him: not his diagnosis, not his plan.  Its about the ability of our system to withstand this assault & the willingness of our citizens to ensure he doesn't succeed.  And both questions are really not a sure bet in either direction.

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On 9/30/2020 at 10:54 AM, Steve R. said:

For me, the question is no longer about him: not his diagnosis, not his plan.  Its about the ability of our system to withstand this assault & the willingness of our citizens to ensure he doesn't succeed. 

It always has been.

My biggest "issue" is that, even if the system repels him and his partners-in-malevolence, 40 million people are still willing to vote for him. Humanity is the problem - we, as a species, probably don't deserve to survive in the long term because all we care about is the here-and-now for me, me, me, and fuck thy neighbor.

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15 minutes ago, DonRocks said:

Humanity is the problem - we, as a species, probably don't deserve to survive in the long term because all we care about is the here-and-now for me, me, me, and fuck thy neighbor.

I'd reframe it as right wing propaganda poisoning once normal people into believing lies, fairy tales and disproven political theories.  This is not a "both sides spin the news" story.  This is, one side is against the entire rest of the world on certain issues and their supporting "facts" are complete BS.  The only people in the entire world who deny climate change are the GOP and the right wing media.  The only people in the entire world who think the solution to 20 six year-old's getting massacred in their classroom is easier access to more powerful guns, is the GOP and right wing media. 

Humanity is the victim, right wing propaganda is the problem.

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"Humanity is the victim, right wing propaganda is the problem"

I'd start by adding the word "major" before problem & then agree that, in this situation, its a correct enough assessment. 

But... although I'm a left leaning type of guy, I cant say that what poisons humanity is always right wing ideology.  Unless you want to just discount (or rationalize) how avowedly left wing countries have denied climate change over the years, poisoning the air and waterways, the "rest of the world" argument doesn't hold up on the environment.  And I can think of similar examples for almost every reprehensible thing our idiot in chief spews out, from homophobia to misogyny to making a small % of the population extremely wealthy while impoverishing many others -- last I looked, evening the playing field and leveling out wealth accumulation hasn't exactly happened anywhere for more than an instant... not by right wingers nor by so-called leftist leaders.  It's also a bit of a stretch to say that ideology doesn't rise out of peoples' collective instincts and not vice versa (although that'll lead to a non-answerable chicken/egg argument).  I think it better to admit that people have the ability to choose to believe in saviors or hero's who promise very attractive things, mostly at the expense of others, & that we'll start being deserving when we show that we can rise above base instincts and use our reasoning power for the good of all.  Ya never know... it can happen.  But I'd suggest we start with throwing this guy out and flipping the goddamn Senate.

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