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Whenever I drive down Kalorama and pass 17th st, there is a big sign that mentions a new Harris Teeter and that the website is www.citadeldc.com. The website has info about sending letters & emails to the appropriate government peeps to make the store happen and says if its goes through it would open in the second quarter of 2006.

I can't say that I've ever been to a Harris Teeter, but I live a few blocks away and would definitely be interested in another grocery store opening. Does anyone know anything about this, and whether or not its gonna happen?

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From the Adams Morgan ANC Chairman last month: there are still some issues to iron out. HT can't just be given a pass. After all, they are moving a large retail operation into a very crowded neighborhood with narrow streets. DOT has to change some streets to "one-way" and HT has to make some promises about opening times (they originally wanted to be open 24/7. No way Jose), parking, and some other stuff--none of which should be impossible or a deal-breaker.

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From the Adams Morgan ANC Chairman last month: there are still some issues to iron out. HT can't just be given a pass. After all, they are moving a large retail operation into a very crowded neighborhood with narrow streets. DOT has to change some streets to "one-way" and HT has to make some promises about opening times (they originally wanted to be open 24/7. No way Jose), parking, and some other stuff--none of which should be impossible or a deal-breaker.

Yeah, I can't imagine how the immediate neighbors would like all those loud trucks making deliveries and clogging the little streets early in the morning, or where all the customers would park.

Otherwise, if/when they get all of those ?s resolved, it sounds good.

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Apparently the HT will be built and then they will finish the traffic study for the area. A lot of new ideas are being thrown out there, some making streets one way, others (which is my favorite) is making 18th St. between Columbia and Florida accessable to foot traffic only! Can you imagine that whole strip just full of food & novelty vendors & people, no taxi's parked in the middle of the road running people over?

I personally am getting tired of the Safeway and Whole Foods is far away.

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They are also opening one on the Hill. The sign is up and it looks like light construction was going on the last time I drove by a few weeks ago.

Right on Pennsylvania around 13th.

Can't wait to see the trendy Hill folk go that far down Penn. to shop :lol:

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A memo from Alan Roth of the Adams Morgan Advisory Neighborhood Commission, dated Monday, June 6th:

Dear Neighbors and Friends,

Douglas Development (a/k/a Douglas Jemal) and Faison Enterprises have withdrawn their application for a Planned Unit Development (PUD) project at the Citadel building, which was to house a new Harris Teeter supermarket. Jemal and Faison now plan to lop off roughly 11,000 sq. ft. from the office portion of the plans and then proceed with a "matter of right" project that will still include the supermarket, the additional retail space, and the remaining office space (which I believe will be roughly 1/3 smaller than in the original plan). "Matter of right," taken literally, would ordinarily mean no need for further zoning proceedings; in fact, it is likely that they will still need some variance or special exception relief from the Board of Zoning Adjustment, but that relief is expected to be very minor, perhaps even just technical in nature.

So what does all this mean?

For the vast majority of neighborhood residents who supported bringing the Harris Teeter in, the good news is that it looks like they'll still get the grocery store they wanted.

For the immediate neighbors and others in Reed-Cooke who fought the PUD, the bad news is that in all likelihood they'll end up with the worst of both worlds -- a full-service grocery store right in their midst, coupled with most of the previously planned office space, and no Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) to mitigate the most severe impacts on them. Hours of operation, delivery hours, management of the loading docks, transit incentives to discourage employees from driving to work and parking on the street, and use of the existing Class A liquor license (with no ABC voluntary agreement attached) rather than a new and more limited Class B license will now be almost entirely within HT's own discretion.

For Jubilee Jobs, Mary's Center, Good Shepherd Teen Learning Center, and Latin American Youth Center, this change of direction will provide a test of how earnest HT has been in saying that it is committed to working with these non-profits to identify and train suitable candidates for employment in the store. For the neighborhood as a whole, we've lost a significant financial contribution from the owner and developer to the rehabilitation and maintenance of some yet-to-be-determined recreational or park space.

In the last four weeks of negotiation between the ANC and the businesses involved, the vast majority of outstanding issues involved Harris Teeter's planned operations. As some of you may have surmised from recent e-mails you may have received from me on the subject, several of us have been wondering lately whether HT could or would ever agree to what was really needed in order to satisfy not only the community but the Zoning Commission, where the developer would have the burden of proving adequate mitigation of adverse impacts. If they and their attorneys believed they had a strong case for mitigation, it's unlikely they would have withdrawn the PUD application.

Perhaps they counted on a weak MOU with the ANC being all they needed as cover to paint the immediate neighbors as extremist NIMBYs. Perhaps they believed that the ANC would ultimately roll over on those open issues just to get the supermarket. If so, they guessed wrong. Although the neighbors apparently didn't believe in or support our efforts, we worked hard on their behalf to make this a win-win for them and HT. It's regrettable that after six months of effort, we seem to have satisfied neither extreme. But I believe the ANC did right by the neighborhood as a whole in trying to steer a middle course -- supporting the grocery store, while working to mitigate the most serious adverse impacts on Reed-Cooke residents.

We're on to a new chapter now -- and, most likely, a new full-service Harris Teeter supermarket in Adams Morgan, probably in late 2006 or early 2007 if their "matter of right" strategy is successful. Perhaps there will still be an opportunity to achieve agreement on some operational issues (albeit, undoubtedly, a smaller universe of them) in the context of possible BZA variance or special exception proceedings. In either event, let's hope that once Harris Teeter opens here, the quality of their service and food will prove strong enough to overcome the legitimate concerns that many people have about the impact of their operations on the surrounding area..

Thanks for your continued interest in this issue. We'll try to continue to keep you informed as the news warrants.

Sincerely,

Alan Roth

Chairperson, ANC 1C

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It sounds like HT management had all it could stands and it couldn't stands no more.

Actually, late in the afternoon before the ANC meeting which was planning on voting to approve this project, they received a response from HT which indicated that they were not negotiating in good faith. The ANC voted to ask the Zoning Board for a delay in their hearings on this. Nobody knows what will come out of that.

Depending on how deep the pockets of some of the neighbors are (and, I don't think their THAT deep), HT may come to regret their actions, particularly if the operate 24/7. It really is awfully close around there and a lot of bad will could accompany the opening. And, of course, Doug Jemal will make less money on this development by scaling down the office complex part of it.

It seems to be the consensus that HT realized that NOTHING they agreed to would satisfy the folks who simply don't want a supermarket there under any circumstances, so they didn't even go along with things most folks consider reasonable. The obstructionists will be the ones who pay dearly for this and not those of us who live several blocks away. It's really too bad because Alan Roth (a lawyer--can you tell?) is really one of the best ANC commissioners we have had and certainly the best Chairman. He knew exactly what could be expected, but couldn't sell that to those most affected, especially since they are not in his Single Member District. But I am :lol:

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Looks like Harris Teeter has finally announced the location of their first Maryland store. It's the former Food Lion site on Route 28 in Darnestown (out past Kentlands). Sounds like it might take well into 2006 to make it a reality.

Sadly, it'll probably have the same wine-deficit as the Trader Joes in MoCo.

Here's the link to the source article in this week's Gazette.

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://www.gazette.net/stories/112205/mont...1916.shtml

Edited by Lydia R

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if you've never been to HT, i think you will like it, when compared to the safeays and giants. the one in arlington had a great selection of produce.

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So in search of a particular beer, and out of general curiosity and interest, I'm heading to Harris Teeter for the first time.

Which one should I go to? They are all pretty far for me, and looking at their website's store locator, it's an expedition whichever I choose. So is one any better than the others? Or better parking? Or what? Thanks.

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So in search of a particular beer, and out of general curiosity and interest, I'm heading to Harris Teeter for the first time.

Which one should I go to?  They are all pretty far for me, and looking at their website's store locator, it's an expedition whichever I choose.  So is one any better than the others?  Or better parking?  Or what?  Thanks.

The one in Fairfax has the worst parking situation, and the layout can be a little off-putting since it's on two floors. The one in Reston is a single-floor setup. I think the one in Arlington is also a two-floor store.

Where are you coming from?

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So in search of a particular beer, and out of general curiosity and interest, I'm heading to Harris Teeter for the first time.

Which one should I go to?  They are all pretty far for me, and looking at their website's store locator, it's an expedition whichever I choose.  So is one any better than the others?  Or better parking?  Or what?  Thanks.

Of the four I've been to (Reston, Ashburn, Arlington and Pentagon Row), I like Pentagon Row and Ashburn the best - both one level layouts.

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What's going on with this? I walked by the other day, but there doesn't seem to be much happening (though there is a big banner saying that it's coming).

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The one in Ballston is indeed two levels (wine and toiletries on the second).

Like Bilrus, I prefer the one on Pentagon Row

(FWIW - I haven't been to either in a year or so)

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just across the American Legion bridge.

If I have my bridges right, I think that would probably put you closest to the one in Pentagon Row. I don't know that I could in good conscience recommend driving all the way out to the Reston/Loudoun County ones - although if you wanted to make a day trip to Leesburg (say, to visit the Mighty Midget) then either of the two Ashburns wouldn't be too far away.

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If I have my bridges right, I think that would probably put you closest to the one in Pentagon Row. I don't know that I could in good conscience recommend driving all the way out to the Reston/Loudoun County ones - although if you wanted to make a day trip to Leesburg (say, to visit the Mighty Midget) then either of the two Ashburns wouldn't be too far away.

Actually closest to Ballston (HT is on Glebe Rd.)

But only about 5 minutes more down the GW for Pentagon Row.

Then again, it takes a few minutes longer to get to the Ballston location from the GW than it does to get to the Pentagon Row location.

Further caveat -- parking can really suck at Pentagon Row.

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just across the American Legion bridge.

Um... I have only lived in this area for10 years, so my locating skills are not like a native's. But isn't the American Legion Bridge the one on 495? That goes from Montgomery County via Cabin John to Mclean/Tyson's Corner? Wouldn't it be faster to just stay on 495 and go to Fairfax?

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Further caveat -- parking can really suck at Pentagon Row.

True but no one ever seems to park in the underground parking garage. Every time I go there, there is always space available in that garage. It's fun to drive in, park, walk up to the ground level and watch the vultures circling the parking lot. The parking garage is near Sur La Table.

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Um... I have only lived in this area for10 years, so my locating skills are not like a native's. But isn't the American Legion Bridge the one on 495? That goes from Montgomery County via Cabin John to Mclean/Tyson's Corner? Wouldn't it be faster to just stay on 495 and go to Fairfax?

No. The HT in Fairfax is in the middle of "old town" Fairfax, and the traffic can be a total PITA... not to mention the lack of parking. Pentagon Row is both closer to the highway and features a larger number of other possible reasons to go there.

Of course, if one were to combine a trip to HT with a trip to Super H and/or Woodlands, then that might be sufficient impetus to venture into Fairfax.

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True but no one ever seems to park in the underground parking garage.  Every time I go there, there is always space available in that garage. It's fun to drive in, park, walk up to the ground level and watch the vultures circling the parking lot.  The parking garage is near Sur La Table.

There is a parkinig ticket validation machine right next to the self-checkout counter in the Pentagon Row Harris Teeter. When you enter the garage, turn right and go all the way to the end of the parking lot. There is an esclator and elevator that will take you right to Harris Teeter. Don't waste your time looking/'waiting for a space in the surface lot.

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It is correct that the underground parking almost always has spaces available. There are several entrances to the underground parking. One near the back door to World Market/Eckerts. The other is about a 200 yard walk straight away from the Harris Teeter doors. Another is on Army Navy drive just between Joyce Street and the Macy's store.

The difference between parking on the surface or in the caverns is that you can consistently go back out to your car, press the button on the parking meter, and get another hour of free parking. When you park downstairs you get a ticket that needs to be validated at the merchant. The validation is good for one hour. It also may take time to get out of the garage if it's a crowded day because everyone has to go through the cashier booths. So if you think you'll be there shopping for a while and don't mind dropping your purchases off at your car as you go from store to store, park on the surface and keep resetting your timer. It also drives those trolling for spots crazy.

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Y'all should come on out to Loudoun County. H-T has set up a veritable Maginot Line of stores along the Route 659 axis. Parking for thousands.

And I have to say, I am impressed with H-T. I have been a regular Giant customer (other than during a few years I was out of the area) since 1979, and we got a shiny new Giant in South Riding, but I now do my regular shopping at the H-T in Stone Ridge.

The new Giant, with its Stop & Shop layout, just doesn't do it for me. Maybe it's flashbacks to being dragged by my mother to the Pawtucket Stop & Shop circa 1965, or maybe it's the fact that their deli meats seem to have a very short half-life, but for whatever reason Giant has pretty much lost a long-time customer.

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Looks like Harris Teeter has finally announced the location of their first Maryland store. It's the former Food Lion site on Route 28 in Darnestown (out past Kentlands).

Update: after months of no activity, the construction fence went up two weeks ago, they removed the windows last week, and currently appear to be disassembling the old Food Lyin' facade brick-by-brick. Which suggests to me that this will be a more significant revamp than just reusing the old brick four-square box. Wonder how they're working around the problems that FL had downsizing the building for the on-site septic system?

As this will be the nearest supermarket to home, I'm tingling with anticipation.

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