DonRocks Posted November 1, 2007 Posted November 1, 2007 Not a bad price IMO considering Palmer charges 20 per oz with a 5oz min. The BMS (Beef Marbling Standard) number means everything in terms of Kobe pricing, the number ranging from 1 through 12. I've had lower-end Kobe beef that was nothing special, and I've had higher-end non-Kobe Japanese Wagyu (from Miyagi and Miyazaki, to be exact) that was so good I couldn't believe it. Would anyone be interested in a dr.com tasting if I can score some? (Hint: Say yes.)
FunnyJohn Posted November 1, 2007 Posted November 1, 2007 The BMS (Beef Marbling Standard) number means everything in terms of Kobe pricing, the number ranging from 1 through 12.I've had lower-end Kobe beef that was nothing special, and I've had higher-end non-Kobe Japanese Wagyu (from Miyagi and Miyazaki, to be exact) that was so good I couldn't believe it. Would anyone be interested in a dr.com tasting if I can score some? (Hint: Say yes.) YES
Banco Posted November 1, 2007 Posted November 1, 2007 Would anyone be interested in a dr.com tasting if I can score some? (Hint: Say yes.) Uh, gee, let me think... YES! ETA: I had the Kobe at Sonoma last week when they were serving it as a carpaccio. It was intensely marbled, looked almost like half fat, and was exactly like what I have had in Japan.
hmmboy Posted November 1, 2007 Posted November 1, 2007 The BMS (Beef Marbling Standard) number means everything in terms of Kobe pricing, the number ranging from 1 through 12.I've had lower-end Kobe beef that was nothing special, and I've had higher-end non-Kobe Japanese Wagyu (from Miyagi and Miyazaki, to be exact) that was so good I couldn't believe it. Would anyone be interested in a dr.com tasting if I can score some? (Hint: Say yes.) Are you talking Kobe or Waygu?
Heather Posted November 1, 2007 Posted November 1, 2007 Tasting raw, I assume? Edited to add: Oh hell yes.
Hannah Posted November 1, 2007 Posted November 1, 2007 The Snake River Wagyu makes a pretty spectacular tartare; I'd love to see how the genuine article compares.
Scott Johnston Posted November 1, 2007 Posted November 1, 2007 Yes, But please cook the hell out of it, then grind it into meatballs and spread Ragu all over it. I want to get the full effect....
DonRocks Posted November 1, 2007 Author Posted November 1, 2007 Okay, I'm going to assume there will be enough interest to do this. The beef will be from Japan. It may be Kobe, or may be from another prefecture depending on what my source can find (and my source is the best available). The beef will be near the absolute top in quality, meaning BMS level 10 or thereabouts. It will be presented to everyone whole, but then I prefer it sliced as carpaccio rather than chopped as tartare so you can see the marbling. Nothing to be added but salt - maybe an arugula salad on the side, but nothing else. I'll figure out specifics and let everyone know - give me about two weeks. I'll pass on everything at my own cost, but it's still not going to be cheap (figure $30-40 per person). I'm pretty sure this will be revelatory for a lot of people. I'll also be announcing another interesting, affordable event sometime in the next few days as well. Stay tuned...
zoramargolis Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 I hope this won't have to be by lottery, cause I'd love to partake, and I don't seem to have much luck of the draw...
DanielK Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 If ever there was a "well, DUH" event, this is it. HELL yes.
deangold Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 I will be in if it is a Saturday or sunday during the day or a Thursday evening... the only times I can attend.
pizza man Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 If it coincides with our schedules, T and I would love to attend..
1000yregg Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 here's some beef i saw in japan this spring i would totally be interested in this event! the price is per 100 gm- it's about $225/lb! (i think)
StephenB Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 Don, at the present rate you may have to rent RFK. This is the most enthusiasm I've seen since the intro to Ray's the Steaks.
Erik Ox Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 After trying the "Kobe Carpaccio" last night at CPS, I'm so in.
Wine Guy 23 Posted November 3, 2007 Posted November 3, 2007 Tasting raw, I assume?Edited to add: Oh hell yes. Tartare of kobe? i don't know if that is the best of ideas. it is prized because of its high marbling (FAT), and a raw version, well... Guess you just have to try it for yourself, it gets a little "silky"
Wine Guy 23 Posted November 3, 2007 Posted November 3, 2007 but this idea of a tasting of KOBE from Kobe , japan sounds really cool!!
ojdavies Posted November 3, 2007 Posted November 3, 2007 Would it be easier to start a list of DR members who aren't coming? Having said that, count me in.
Heather Posted November 4, 2007 Posted November 4, 2007 Tartare of kobe? i don't know if that is the best of ideas. it is prized because of its high marbling (FAT), and a raw version, well... Guess you just have to try it for yourself, it gets a little "silky"I was thinking more like very thin, very small slices.
youngfood Posted November 4, 2007 Posted November 4, 2007 Would it be easier to start a list of DR members who aren't coming? Probably. Don't put me on that list!
PollyG Posted November 5, 2007 Posted November 5, 2007 The spouse and I are interested. Extrasuperfattybeefalicous.
DonRocks Posted November 5, 2007 Author Posted November 5, 2007 Okay, well obviously this is a go. Now it's a matter of venue, date, and seeing when I can source a good slab of beef. I'm hoping towards the end of November, maybe the first week in December. Please keep replying if you're interested, because I'll need an idea of how much to order.
goldenticket Posted November 5, 2007 Posted November 5, 2007 I should be in, depending on the chosen date.
xcanuck Posted November 5, 2007 Posted November 5, 2007 We're in (assuming no conflicts with hockey schedules).
DonRocks Posted November 17, 2007 Author Posted November 17, 2007 I'm going to shoot for Monday, December 17th for this event. It falls safely between Hannukah and Christmas, and gives us two full weeks after the Colorado Kitchen event which I'm about to announce... (Please don't reply on this thread yet, but pencil the date in your calendar if you're interested). Cheers, Rocks.
DonRocks Posted November 30, 2007 Author Posted November 30, 2007 Okay, we're on! I'm going to be buying two Japanese Wagyu sirloins, and RJ Cooper will be preparing it for us at Vidalia - he'll be serving it sliced as carpaccio, with salt, and an arugula salad. Serving size will be approximately four ounces per person, which is a HUGE portion given the richness of the meat. RJ originally recommended a 2 1/2 ounce portion, and I said, 'Nah ... make it four.' I haven't finalized the beef purchase yet, but my estimated cost will be $1,120. We'll be able to take 40 people, so at that price, everyone will need to write me a check for $28. (I could do PayPal, but don't want to go through the hassle, fees, etc.) I won't be making a penny from this, so I'll ask everyone to show up, and to please pay me even if they don't. Vidalia will charge a $10 plating fee, for RJ trimming the beef (there's about a 20% loss), presenting it whole, then preparing it in front of us, and serving it alongside a good arugula salad. Tax will be $1 per person, and gratuity should be $8 each (Vidalia told me to make the call on the gratuity, and I think it's only fair that it's based on a $40 course). That's $19 total for Vidalia, outside of any drinks. I just talked with Doug Mohr, and he'll be coming up with an optional wine pairing. Items on their regular bar menu will also be available. It will be something of a walk-around event, with seating available, but not enough for all 40 people. So all-in, the cost is looking to be $47 per person: $28 for me, and $19 for Vidalia. This seems like a lot of money, but this dish would cost well over $100 anywhere else. You simply don't see this grade of beef anywhere: we're talking grade A9, possibly A10, prefecture to be determined in the near future based on what's available. How am I able to source such a remarkable quality of Wagyu at wholesale? Let's just say it was EZ... If we go over 40 people, we'll need to do a lottery. Go ahead and sign up now, and we'll re-examine the attendee list over the next 1 1/2 weeks. Cheers, and I'll see you guys on the 17th (I'll be coming to this one, almost certainly.) Rocks.
youngfood Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 If we go over 40 people, we'll need to do a lottery. Go ahead and sign up now, and we'll re-examine the attendee list over the next 1 1/2 weeks. Awesome. I'm in for 2- Youngfood +1 ETA: Thanks, Don & E.Z.
Heather Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 I'm in for 2. Thanks for setting it up. Glad it was so EZ.
acevedo81 Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 unfortunately I will have to take myself off the original list, since I will be out of town and now will be very jealous
StephenB Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 I would like to attend. Thanks, Don, for doing this.
ojdavies Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 Don: Sorry if I've missed it someplace, but what's going to be the start-time?
Mrs. B Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 I'll be there, I'll be there, just call my name, I'll be there. Thanks for setting this up Don. I'm really excited about your meat conduit. heh.
hillvalley Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 Don: Sorry if I've missed it someplace, but what's going to be the start-time? It will be from 7-9 according to the subtitle
hm212 Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 Please count me in. Thanks for setting this up.
Dmnkly Posted December 1, 2007 Posted December 1, 2007 Still in... looking forward to meeting everybody :-)
Marcus Aurelius Posted December 1, 2007 Posted December 1, 2007 I'm in Please add me to the list. Gracie.
legant Posted December 2, 2007 Posted December 2, 2007 Would it be easier to start a list of DR members who aren't coming?I'm sure I'm gonna regret this, bt add me to that list, under the "no way am I eating that!" column. You can call it carpaccio... or marvel at the high fat content: I just won't eat raw meat. Medium rare is pushing my boundaries.I know: my loss. Yet there is now one extra seat available. Enjoy!
brettashley01 Posted December 2, 2007 Posted December 2, 2007 I'm so with you on this one! Maybe we can have a table of our own with that delicious onion bread and hamachi appetizer... I'm sure I'm gonna regret this, bt add me to that list, under the "no way am I eating that!" column. You can call it carpaccio... or marvel at the high fat content: I just won't eat raw meat. Medium rare is pushing my boundaries.I know: my loss. Yet there is now one extra seat available. Enjoy!
Jimmy Chandler Posted December 2, 2007 Posted December 2, 2007 Unfortunately, I won't be able to make it on the 17th, so please remove me from the list. I hope everyone enjoys this, and maybe Don will do it again sometime in the future.
agm Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 I'm sure I'm gonna regret this, bt add me to that list, under the "no way am I eating that!" column. You can call it carpaccio... or marvel at the high fat content: I just won't eat raw meat. Medium rare is pushing my boundaries.I know: my loss. Yet there is now one extra seat available. Enjoy! Yeah, NQD and I are also passing for that reason. Not that we absolutely won't eat raw meat - we'll continue to try carpaccios or tartares when they're presented to us - but we just don't like the stuff, and don't want to spend that kind of money on something we won't appreciate. Slap those four ounces of amazing beef on a grill, and we'd be there. Oh, well. Maybe next time.
bettyjoan Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 If there's still room, I am SO in. Drooling already...
Walrus Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 We're still in! We've had some great carpaccios this year -- lamb at the InnAtLW, elk in Santa Fe, tuna at Mendocino Grille -- so I'm officially declaring 2007 the Year of the Carpaccio! Hooray! Wonder what 2008 will bring...
Dmnkly Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 Ack! The fates have conspired against me... a conflict has arisen. I'm afraid I'm out.
Waitman Posted December 4, 2007 Posted December 4, 2007 So, not to question the wisdom of the culinary genius dudes behind this operation, but why carpaccio rather than a brief grilling to warm the fat and add a little crunch? Is this traditional? Just curious.
TomDC Posted December 8, 2007 Posted December 8, 2007 please take my name off...need to be in London that weekend...DRAT
Hannah Posted December 8, 2007 Posted December 8, 2007 I'm out as well, dammit - unavoidable work conflict.
DonRocks Posted December 9, 2007 Author Posted December 9, 2007 I'm in. Thanks Don! You're not invited. Here's the roster so far (PLEASE contact me if I missed you or if I have your "+1" wrong - I blitzed through this thing and could have easily made a mistake). youngfood + 1 Heather + 1 ferment_everything mdt Keithstg + 1 Banco squidsdc starfish TedE StephenB DanielK goldenticket ol_ironstomach + gubeen alan7147 Mrs. B + Waitman HV DanCole42 + 1 hm212 Simon porcupine hmmboy Marcus Aurelius sparkcom + 1 zoramargolis Halloween bettyjoan 1000yregg Walrus + tripewriter cjsadler Pete + Paula kturkey88 + 1 eating_out Meaghan nashman1975 So we're at 44. I'll be there too, as will 1-3 "guest celebrities," depending on whether or not they have to work. I talked with RJ today, and the restaurant can really only handle about 40 people at once, so depending on who else signs up, we may need to do a staggered entry - some people at 7 PM, and some people at 8 PM (this doesn't have to be exact, but there's a large party at Vidalia that night and 50 people showing up at the same time might overwhelm everything). I don't have a final price or details on the steaks yet, but they've both been ordered, and they're GRADE A10! I talked with Ziebold today, and he told me I need my head examined for attempting to serve four ounces of A10 carpaccio. "Too much of a good thing," he said. "After about two ounces of it, people are going to start dying off." RJ told me the same thing, and he's going to prepare about half of it as carpaccio, and the other half seared rare - all the better, since it will make for a more complex plating. The funny thing about all this is that we're nitpicking over the same amount of beef that you'd find in a McDonald's Quarter-Pounder!
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